tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post115790038745165864..comments2024-02-20T17:40:21.618-05:00Comments on jeremy freese's weblog: we will fight to the end! (or ten years, as you can't very well expect us to stay away from chicago forever)jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158166285249646472006-09-13T12:51:00.000-04:002006-09-13T12:51:00.000-04:00jeremy says:"If attractiveness of location is numb...jeremy says:<BR/><BR/>"If attractiveness of location is number one, why are we going to Atlanta in August twice in seven years?"<BR/><BR/>Agreed, but its not an "objective" rating of attractiveness that the conventioneers have in mind. Lots of sociologists live in college towns. The chance to write off a trip to bigcity is an "attraction," while the idea of leaving collegetown for...collegetown at the height of vacation season is not. LOTS of people a vacation out of ASAs, using it as a jumping off point for family trips and such. While Madison certainly has its charms, "vacation" is not the first thing it calls to mind. <BR/><BR/>My point was that this can hardly be called "snobbery." Its just the convention business. Why do you think Montreal was such a hit? Heightened interest in what was going on in the meetings or attractive location?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158161383835078482006-09-13T11:29:00.000-04:002006-09-13T11:29:00.000-04:00Many ASA participants need copious amounts of alco...Many ASA participants need copious amounts of alcohol to get through the meetings anyway. So Madison would be just fine, as long as the alcohol is accessible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158157053472963762006-09-13T10:17:00.000-04:002006-09-13T10:17:00.000-04:00sorry, but i think jeremy is right about the snobb...sorry, but i think jeremy is right about the snobbery thing. madison doesn't <I>totally</I> suck as a place to visit. i've had friends stay with me, and they've quite enjoyed things. everyone could make a trip to <A HREF="http://www.ellas-deli.com/" REL="nofollow">ella's deli</A> and get tickets to <A HREF="http://www.notmuch.com/" REL="nofollow">michael feldman's whadaya know.</A><BR/><BR/>anyway, in case people thought that my earlier comment at 4:46pm was in favor of getting ASA to come to madison, it wasn't. i was just saying that i think it requires vast amounts of alcohol to live here. i don't know how much alcohol people would need if they were just visiting.dorothahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612428988803385580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158156610713948592006-09-13T10:10:00.000-04:002006-09-13T10:10:00.000-04:00If attractiveness of location is number one, why a...If attractiveness of location is number one, why are we going to Atlanta in August twice in seven years?<BR/><BR/>I think it's also sort of silly to imagine that location would result in a 50+% drop in ASA attendance, unless it was for political boycott reasons or somewhere genuinely remote/expensive. If you want, we could have it in Madison but pretend it was in Chicago, and the commute from the airport would be only slightly more unpleasant than what I had to deal with at ASA Anaheim.jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158156275868809452006-09-13T10:04:00.000-04:002006-09-13T10:04:00.000-04:00yeah, let's just make ASA a tour of Big 10 towns.yeah, let's just make ASA a tour of Big 10 towns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158148986444801662006-09-13T08:03:00.000-04:002006-09-13T08:03:00.000-04:00Jeremy says:"It's only due to member snobbery that...Jeremy says:<BR/><BR/>"It's only due to member snobbery that ASA won't even consider a place like Madison"<BR/><BR/>I'm all behind this freesian (and the history books will drop the 'e') movement to get ASA to visit more intersting places, but please tell me you are joking! Snobbery? Huh? Jeremy, you do know that people go to conferences for all sorts of reasons and, in the conference biz, "attractiveness of location" is draw number one. Do you really think that snobbery is the reason you wouldn't get more than a thousand or two at your Madison ASA meetings? Heck, while we are at it, let me put Harrisburg PA in the hat for 2010! Same difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158144107867015472006-09-13T06:41:00.000-04:002006-09-13T06:41:00.000-04:00You know I am always up for a good hip-hopera.You know I am always up for a good hip-hopera.tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184217798022197795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158133262651991922006-09-13T03:41:00.000-04:002006-09-13T03:41:00.000-04:00I bet it's because of their arrangement with Hilto...I bet it's because of their arrangement with Hilton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158130014160523022006-09-13T02:46:00.000-04:002006-09-13T02:46:00.000-04:00I don't think 2012 is booked yet.2007 NYC2008 Bost...I don't think 2012 is booked yet.<BR/><BR/>2007 NYC<BR/>2008 Boston<BR/>2009 San Francisco<BR/>2010 Atlanta<BR/>2011 Chicago<BR/>2012<BR/>2013 San Francisco<BR/>2014 ChicagoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158124671866301682006-09-13T01:17:00.000-04:002006-09-13T01:17:00.000-04:00I was looking at ASA Council minutes from 2005 (20...I was looking at ASA Council minutes from 2005 (2006 isn't up yet), and it looked like ASA was booked through 2014 (!). This includes freaking Atlanta again in 2010, with the statement that Atlanta is the "only viable option" in the South because of hurricane season.jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158123555579501882006-09-13T00:59:00.000-04:002006-09-13T00:59:00.000-04:00Well, I hope ASA schedules NO soon. They've faile...Well, I hope ASA schedules NO soon. They've failed to achieve what several other professional associations have managed (i.e. schedule NO on relatively short notice), so we'll just hope that this gets taken care of. Or perhaps we should agitate...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158122957466569932006-09-13T00:49:00.000-04:002006-09-13T00:49:00.000-04:00It will be interesting to see what happens when AS...It will be interesting to see what happens when ASA has to choose between fulfilling its financial commitments (you do know that they had to promise to return to San Francisco in order to move the meetings to Montréal, right?) and its commitment to avoiding cities with labor disputes. I wonder how many people actually read the ASA Council minutes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158122030518450312006-09-13T00:33:00.000-04:002006-09-13T00:33:00.000-04:00IMO ASA should actually do something about a socia...IMO ASA should actually do something about a social problem, like the reconstriction of NO. It's an embarassment that several other academic organizations have placed a higher priority on this than ASA, the group of professionals that should have been first mover given most of their members' moral principles. If we have to tolerate all this vacuous public sociology prattle, we should at least get something of social value from our professional association.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158117236883619762006-09-12T23:13:00.000-04:002006-09-12T23:13:00.000-04:00I couldn't win. However, a combined Tina / Jeremy...I couldn't win. However, a combined Tina / Jeremy collaborative candidacy probably would win. Sure, co-presidential-candidacies may be against the by-laws, but that would make us an all the more appealing candidate. We need a 100 ASA members to sign a petition and we're on the ballot. We could do a skit as our presidential address, or a two-part hip-hopera.jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158113682040216112006-09-12T22:14:00.000-04:002006-09-12T22:14:00.000-04:00To be fair, I think the ASA council chooses sites ...To be fair, I think the ASA council chooses sites based *partly* on their perceptions of how easy & expensive it would be for the "average" ASA member to fly into and out of the local airport. Or at least, that's the explanation I received for why ASA meetings haven't been in Seattle or Vancouver.<BR/><BR/>This introduces several potential sources of error, not the least of which is that the relative costs of airline tickets just aren't that easy to predict (anymore): fer instance, as of a few minutes ago, I could buy a RT ticket from SFO-Madison for $317, but a RT ticket from SFO-ORD for the same dates (Oct 19-23, in case anyone cares) would be $450+.B. Stronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03140528720464512004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158111980087458322006-09-12T21:46:00.000-04:002006-09-12T21:46:00.000-04:00I would LOVE to see a Madison ASA.This calls for a...I would LOVE to see a Madison ASA.<BR/><BR/>This calls for a "Jeremy Freese for ASA President" campaign. <BR/><BR/>Shall we?tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184217798022197795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158111759379224432006-09-12T21:42:00.000-04:002006-09-12T21:42:00.000-04:00research site, I meant research site.research site, I meant research site.Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17187546881492989453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158111714174494172006-09-12T21:41:00.000-04:002006-09-12T21:41:00.000-04:00Milwaukee would be a great ASA site. Sadly, MKE's ...Milwaukee would be a great ASA site. Sadly, MKE's offerings as a city and its potential as a rich research city are generally unrecognized.Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17187546881492989453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158108661669933982006-09-12T20:51:00.000-04:002006-09-12T20:51:00.000-04:00Madison could host it downtown. If Madison can ac...Madison could host it downtown. If Madison can accommodate football games, it can accommodate ASA. And there would certainly be way more and way better restaurants in walking distance either than when ASA was in Anaheim or the gerontology meetings I attended last year in Anaheim. It's only due to member snobbery that ASA won't even consider a place like Madison (these days; Madison did host like the 2nd ASA meetings).jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158108065384172042006-09-12T20:41:00.000-04:002006-09-12T20:41:00.000-04:00Madison could not host ASA. There just isn't the s...Madison could not host ASA. There just isn't the space. Where, and it what hotels, in Madison would one put 3000+ sociologists?<BR/><BR/>SWS is in New Orleans this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158102257971907142006-09-12T19:04:00.000-04:002006-09-12T19:04:00.000-04:00fine, go. what do i care? maybe you could send e...fine, go. what do i care? maybe you could send extra money, not just to the french quarter.dorothahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612428988803385580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158099968526172362006-09-12T18:26:00.000-04:002006-09-12T18:26:00.000-04:00ASA should definitely be held in New Orleans, and ...ASA should definitely be held in New Orleans, and it's a shame this hasn't already been in the works.<BR/>After Hurricane Katrina the (apparently more socially conscious and efficacious) APA rescheduled their next meeting for New Orleans...it was last month. If NO can handle the APA they can easily handle the ASA meetings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158093986390067172006-09-12T16:46:00.000-04:002006-09-12T16:46:00.000-04:00still, what about mood elevators? NOLA is kinda d...still, what about mood elevators? NOLA is kinda depressing. not that sociologists should shy away from depressing things, it is just that, given the sociologists i know, i think that ASA in NOLA might call for, at the very least, free liquor. <BR/><BR/>of course, ASA in madison might also require alcohol. living here sure seems to.dorothahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612428988803385580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158091749348173512006-09-12T16:09:00.000-04:002006-09-12T16:09:00.000-04:00Dunno. It's listed as regular gas: eg Citgo selli...Dunno. It's listed as regular gas: eg Citgo selling in Oskaloosa for $2.03 (it keeps going down!) this afternoon. <BR/>Was gas much cheaper in Manson when you were there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1158091388452718922006-09-12T16:03:00.000-04:002006-09-12T16:03:00.000-04:00does the AAA have a counterpart to ASA's 'Animals ...does the AAA have a counterpart to ASA's 'Animals and Society' or 'Astrosociology' movements?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com