tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post113534443886626008..comments2024-02-20T17:40:21.618-05:00Comments on jeremy freese's weblog: asa & aa,a?jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135979742477264122005-12-30T16:55:00.000-05:002005-12-30T16:55:00.000-05:00Speaking of listserve e-mails, I thought this one ...Speaking of listserve e-mails, I thought this one from the sex and gender listserve crossed the line:<BR/><BR/>--------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------<BR/>Subject: [sex_and_gender-announce] and still more jobs!<BR/>From: "Sharon Hays" <BR/>Date: Wed, September 14, 2005 5:25 pm<BR/>To: sex_and_gender-announce@listserv.asanet.org<BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/><BR/>hi all-<BR/><BR/>geez, this is clearly the right listserv for people on the market. (and<BR/>if you are, make sure to use these feminist connections. the "old boys"<BR/>got to do it on a regular basis.)<BR/><BR/>so, three more...<BR/><BR/>sharon<BR/><BR/>Please add these two positions at Ohio University for Fall 2006 to the<BR/>announcements. Thanks, Ann Tickamyer<BR/><BR/>Ohio University. The Department of Sociology and Anthropology seeks a....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135652233129721112005-12-26T21:57:00.000-05:002005-12-26T21:57:00.000-05:00Oh yeah, that email was blowing up the internet wa...Oh yeah, that email was blowing up the internet waves a few weeks ago. Apparently Conley's perspective on paternal rights was shaped by his own personal experiences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135472947147768172005-12-24T20:09:00.000-05:002005-12-24T20:09:00.000-05:00Conley's op-ed probably increased his support amon...Conley's op-ed probably increased his support among another group: those who have long thought his research is only mediocre, but who also think the ASA has become too "politically correct" and/or that Conley is being unfairly persecuted because of his non-normative (for a sociologist) views on abortion. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say he lost slightly more votes among the SWS/feminist/female "demographic" than he picked up from the male graduate student + anti-PC "demographic," but in the end it won't matter because name recognition will carry the day. <BR/><BR/>Gads, who ever would have guessed that an ASA election could be so, um, interesting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135437575160816822005-12-24T10:19:00.000-05:002005-12-24T10:19:00.000-05:00As that other anon says SLURP SLURP burp burpAs that other anon says <BR/><BR/>SLURP SLURP burp burpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135367389996104222005-12-23T14:49:00.000-05:002005-12-23T14:49:00.000-05:00Tina: Whatever they may be saying in hallways, ma...Tina: Whatever they may be saying in hallways, male graduate students in sociology aren't a large enough constituency to win a seat on the ASA Council. In any case, a strange op-ed indeed.jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135366887518084842005-12-23T14:41:00.000-05:002005-12-23T14:41:00.000-05:00(To clarify my clarification, nothing about this i...(To clarify my clarification, nothing about this is specific to SWS, nor do I even have any quarrel with anything about the content of Lorber's message.<BR/><BR/>But, in principle, if somebody posted something I regarded as objectionable or otherwise postworthy to, for example, a listserv of one of the ASA sections of which I am a member, I would have no problem sharing their e-mail to the world via this blog.)jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135366591282216842005-12-23T14:36:00.000-05:002005-12-23T14:36:00.000-05:00(Although, just to be clear, even if the listserv ...(Although, just to be clear, even if the listserv was restricted to "all SWS members," I would still regard it as fair to re-post. SWS is an intellectual and professional organization, not a personal club. <BR/><BR/>To take the point even further, if a graduate student in my department posted something to the graduate student listserv and another graduate student posted it on their blog, I would have absolutely no ethical problem with that, although this is a more debatable situation than the Lorber e-mail. Unless the listserv is explicitly intended for conducting private business and as a forum for potentially sensitive disclosures, people do not have the right to consider official organizational listservs to be "just us" conversations even if they would prefer it to be such.)jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135365984505871482005-12-23T14:26:00.000-05:002005-12-23T14:26:00.000-05:00I don't know how to conceptualize "yucky", but the...I don't know how to conceptualize "yucky", but there is certainly nothing unethical about it. The listserv is <A HREF="http://newmedia.colorado.edu/~socwomen/about/listserv.html" REL="nofollow">available for anyone to join</A>, just like my blog is available for anyone to read. Anyone who thinks sending something to a unrestricted listserv is somehow not putting it into the quotable public domain is operating under a social construction of private discourse that I do not share.jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12755662766163119607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135362700040317412005-12-23T13:31:00.000-05:002005-12-23T13:31:00.000-05:00while I don't see a problem with an email from a m...while I don't see a problem with an email from a members-only listserve being forwarded to others, but posting it online, with the senders' name and such seems just kind of yucky to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558726.post-1135362448683435182005-12-23T13:27:00.000-05:002005-12-23T13:27:00.000-05:00I had a chuckle when I saw Judith Lorber's email, ...I had a chuckle when I saw Judith Lorber's email, too. They just can't keep up with JFW.<BR/><BR/>I've got my money on Dalton Conley not getting a seat on the Council, but from what I hear about the halls of NYU and elsewhere, his perspective is quite appealing to quite a few men graduate students who want to make sure that their rights to govern women's bodies are protected. So I may be wrong, is what I'm sayin'.tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184217798022197795noreply@blogger.com